I was up way too late last night reading some of the comments at
Majikthise about "nice guys." The topic's been
floating around (other places, too, but I can't remember where), and I'm a little behind the curve, but I figured I'd drop my two cents into the well. After all, the "why don't women like nice guys?" meme isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
Before I begin, of course, mandatory disclaimer: this is just me hypothesizing based on my own dating experience and discussions with friends, so I make no claims that anything I say here is definitive. If it rings true, great; if not, oh well.
There are different kinds of nice guys.
1. The "romantic" nice guy. Personally, these guys creep me the fuck out and I've never dated one. They seem to have read the Hallmark booklet on "how to treat women," and seem to think that "women" like being swept off their feet with big showy displays of "romance" (TM)--sending flowers or gifts to your workplace or school, or showing up bearing them in hand; public declarations of love (e.g., marriage proposals in public places); teddybears as gifts; inappropriately expensive jewelry as gifts; candlelit dinners at fancy restaurants; crap like that. IME, these guys like to go on about how they "know how to treat a lady," and they treat women as if we were interchangable: all women like long-stemmed roses, all women like jewelry and teddybears, all women like being mortified in public by some guy falling on his knees in front of you and putting you on the spot. I suspect these guys are often controlling, abusive assholes, and I suspect they appeal to some women because they (the women) are used to controlling, abusive assholes and therefore don't recognize the signs that a guy isn't interested in you, personally, as a unique individual, but is instead interested in playing the role of Romantic Nice Guy who Treats his Lady Like a Princess. Or maybe they only appeal to very young women, or maybe there's something else going on that I have no clue about, because these guys don't appeal to me at all.
2. The passive / weak nice guy. These are the guys I, personally, dated a lot in high school. They tend to be pretty insecure, and sometimes you end up in a relationship with them because they just hang around a lot, and they're nice enough, and they're obviously interested in you, and you don't want to be mean and reject them, so somehow you just end up as a couple. Which is okay in high school, because what the fuck else were you doing? Nothing, and at least this way you get to learn a few things about relationships in a situation where you're really pretty much the one in control. Often these guys have been picked on a lot by other guys. The problem here is that insecure people aren't so much fun to be dating, and you get tired of being with someone who clings a little too tightly and playing the role of beard to "prove" his masculinity to other guys, and eventually it gets boring. But of course, being passive, these guys will completely ignore the warning signs, or rather they'll respond to the warning signs by becoming even
more passive. So you end up breaking up with them, and then they either cringe and make themselves even more pathetic--which is even more annoying, and you end up not even being able to be friends with them ever again--or else they finally lash out and try to console themselves with thoughts of what a heinous bitch you were for not appreciating how much they loved (were dependent on) you.
3. The shy nice guy. Now, I, personally, have kind of a hard time telling (2) and (3) apart, and I suspect that the main difference only reveals itself over time--that is, you start dating a guy who seems shy, and he ends up just being weak; or you start dating a guy who seems passive, and as you get to know him better you realize he's just shy. Like the weak guys, shy men are often quite reluctant to initiate a relationship, and they also tend to be conflict-avoidant. But unlike the weak guys, they don't have some latent hostility towards women that comes from being insecure about their own masculinity; they're simply quiet and/or shy, and once you get past the initial social awkwardness they're basically pretty sure of themselves and can be perfectly fine boyfriends. I have to admit, I'm not so good with this type: I'm a little too impatient and blunt, and I'm not afraid of conflict, so I would probably just make men of this type incredibly uncomfortable a lot of the time. But I've seen them dating other friends of mine, and they seem to have a lot of virtues for women who are gentle enough not to run roughshod over them.
4. The genuinely nice guy. I strongly suspect that women never call these men "nice guys." We call them "genuinely nice guys" or "really decent men" or "the good ones" or "yeah, he's great" or "my boyfriend." Basically the key here is to have enough sense of who you are that you can deal with other people being who
they are without taking every feeling your girlfriend has as a referendum on you personally. These are the guys who can listen to you bitch about something without trying to tell you what to do about it, or getting defensive, or starting to feel insecure because omg you're angry; the guys who recognize your individuality well enough that they don't hassle you with stupid teddybears but will instead give you a good book or cook you a dinner of beans and fajitas because you really love Mexican food even though they, themselves, prefer fancier fare; the guys who will go to a movie of your choosing without having to pull a bunch of tedious crap about how "all you like is chick flicks, haw haw." In other words, genuine "niceness" means a certain level of differentiation: caring about someone, but also understanding that the person you love has feelings and opinions and needs of their own that have nothing to do with you. And thinking that that's really cool, and that's why you liked them in the first place.
Part 2: bitchy womenThe flip side of the "nice guy" meme is, of course, the "bitch" stereotype. I'm going to ignore the "women who like to be abused" bullshit, and also the "nice women who get overlooked" thing because I think both of those are fairly simple: "women who like to be abused" don't really exist, although women who have bad taste in men surely do; and "nice women who get overlooked" seems mostly to just mean that either the woman is either plain or pretty enough, but not "femmy," so her prettiness goes unnoticed, or else she's simply a quiet woman who goes about her own business and tends not to get boy crazy. In my experience these women don't date a lot but usually end up marrying someone who thinks they're grand. But anyway, I'm not "nice" in that way, so I don't have a lot to say about it. Instead I'll float one of my own pet theories/questions: why do so many men seem to like bitchy women?
Again, there are different things that can fall under the category of "bitchy women."
1. There are surely women who are genuinely mean people; and often these women are bitchiest to other women, but tend to play up to men, because on some level being a "bitch" is all about power. I have to admit that these kind of women don't usually piss me off quite as much as asshole guys do, because I think I get where they're coming from, and while I think that they suck, I can't bring myself to begrudge them for trying to pursue their own self-interest. Really, I think these women aren't all that bright; they may be smart enough in a clever, bookish or logical way, but their inability to empathize with others or consider the broad social complexities of power and self-advancement strikes me as a kind of blindness.
2. Women who are abusive. Nothing much to say about this; women who treat their partners and / or kids like crap suck, just the same as men like that.
3. Strong women, as we all know, all get called "bitch" sooner or later. That's the spirit in which I named the blog; and sure enough, there've been a few comments here and there, or references elsewhere on the internets, that say something like "I can see why you call yourself a bitch," usually in reference to something I said where I wasn't going to take someone else's bullshit. We all know a lot of women who will cop to being a "bitch" in this sense, and we've all heard the little jingle about how "BITCH = Babe in Total Control of Herself." The reclaiming of "bitch," I think, refers primarily to this sense: it's a preemptive move that women use to take the wind out of the misogynist sail.
4. Women who are bitchy in private relationships. This is what I'm most interested in, and I'll admit that it's because, to some extent, this is me. (4), however, is not (2); I think that (4) is actually more like a corrolary of (3), but one that often gets mistaken for (2). What I'm thinking of here--and it's not just me; I have girlfriends who would describe themselves the same way--is women who are sometimes described as "high strung" or "high maintenance" or, as Mr. B. calls me, "stressmonkeys." Up to a point, I think these women are good partners for solid, self-confident guys; we have a clear sense of boundaries, we're direct; we're not conflict-averse; we don't mess about on the borders of hinting that something's wrong--we'll come pretty straight out and let you know. But I'll admit that sometimes those skills get misapplied, and I'll end up being incredibly rigid over something that really isn't at all worth the trouble, something that's usually simply an easier-to-deal-with version of something bigger that I'm worried about. Like--and I think a lot of academics do this, perhaps especially women--my stress over "having" to work on some big research project will get channelled into having a fit over the fact that the house is untidy. I think this is often (not always, or perhaps not even usually) a problem of high-achieving women: we put very high expectations on ourselves, and we have a certain amount of anger at situations where we perceive that our achievements or efforts are undervalued (some of which, no doubt, is merely an externalization of the internal struggle between ambition and the internalized sexism that "nice girls aren't pushy"). And yet, we know that "nice girls aren't pushy"--at least, not in public--and we've seen more than enough situations where ambitious women have been crapped on for being "abrasive" or "well she should have known" or "lacking tact"--much of which simply boils down to "being a woman"--so, in public, there's this constant stress of trying to balance your ambition with not wanting to shoot yourself in the foot by admitting that you're ambitious. So, I think (and by now you're either realizing that this is an elaborate rationalization or else an elaborate piece of self-analysis--personally I think it's a bit of both) that this stress gets internalized and comes out in private relationships, as extreme impatience with partners on whom we place a lot of